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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago
Council Tax Question.

Hi there, I'm an accidental landlord of sorts, moved abroad unexpectedly after buying my flat in East Sussex. The lettings were arranged by a short term rentals company, who moved somebody into the house for 204 days. I paid the council tax for that entire time, and now I'm wondering whether the tenant ought to have, given they were living there for over 6 months.

I asked the short term rental agency at the time about this, and they told me that it was their policy for landlords to pay. Now that I'm thinking about it a little more, it occurs to me that who pays a certain tax is rarely a matter of company policy...

I'm now in a bit of a dispute with the lettings agency. A) can I claim those 6 months plus of council tax payments back? and B) Can I make a complaint against the agency on the basis of them advising me to pay a tax which I wasn't responsible for, rather than (for example) seeking independent legal advice?

Any ideas welcome!

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

I've encountered the Shelter guidance on another thread which is definitive and helpful:

A material interest includes a leasehold interest granted for six months or more.[5] This can include an assured, assured shorthold or secure tenant with a fixed term or periodic tenancy.

Terms in a tenancy agreement do not override the hierarchy of liability. For example, a term stating the landlord will pay council tax does not affect the tenant's liability to the local authority.

Thanks, Shelter! The question remains whether in advising me incorrectly of my tax liability the short term lettings company has committed a 'crime' which I can make the basis of my complaint.

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Posted by TravelOwn4386 1 day ago

As far as I'm aware the only time a landlord usually pays council tax is for void periods or if they are live in landlords with lodgers or if they have a HMO. It sounds like you have been paying council tax when you shouldn't have.

You can right a case to the council for the refund but The problem now would be has the tenant got a contract that states council tax is paid for them by landlord or have they themselves paid it.

Normally council tax if for the address so you will find if you had paid it and tenants paid it then the account would be in credit then they would refund you. I suspect the tenant has not paid so the council may push back a bit but keep trying show your ast agreement to them and explain you paid for X months when it was the responsibility of the tenant.

Anyhow it does sound like you have some rent 2 rent agreement where the tenants might not be yours but those of the company that pays you. This does sound like a right mess you have as your contract with this company is rinsing you and if you signed it you might be liable. Please read your contract and seek legal advice if you don't agree with it.

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

Thanks for this. I paid the council tax for the entire period, so its a situation of hoping to be reimbursed. The situation with the short term lettings agency has deteriorated so badly that I'm more interested in making a strong complaint against them and getting rid of them than I am getting a refund from the council, although that would also be nice.

'Anyhow it does sound like you have some rent 2 rent agreement where the tenants might not be yours but those of the company that pays you.'- This is the problem. Of course, I hope the way the council sees it is that if someone is on a contract, living in a flat for 6 months plus, then everything else is immaterial-they are responsible for the council tax. And that lettings agencies shouldn't be giving tax advice which contravenes tax policy.

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Posted by TravelOwn4386 1 day ago

I'm afraid council will only reimburse you if you have proof the liability was with the tenants which would be the ast terms. Your agents have already said this liability lies with you. Unfortunately this would therefore be a stop to the council refunding you because you do not have proof to state tenants should be paying. I don't think you will get a refund unfortunately.

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Posted by Cazarza 1 day ago

Have the people who the company moved in now left? Do you have a copy of the agreement between the agency and the occupant?

There's an important distinction between a holiday let and a residential tenancy.

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

Yes- this was in winter-summer 2024. It was single 204 day period. There are now new tenants on an AST with a new company.

'There's an important distinction between a holiday let and a residential tenancy.'- I appreciate this, but given they were occupying the property for over six months, surely the council tax becomes their responsibility?

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Posted by Cazarza 1 day ago

Was the contract explicitly for a period of at least 6 months?

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

I do not have a copy of the contract between agent and tenant. It was initially for under 6 months (I believe, not 100%) and then it was extended. It was at that point that I made contact with the agency about council tax, and they emailed advising me that their policy was for the owner to pay council tax.

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Posted by phpadam 1 day ago

It's a mess to go back to the past; you should sort this out for the future. Ensure that the clients who sign up with the letting agency know they are responsible. If the estate agent signed a contract with the tenant stating that the landlord pays the council tax, then there is nothing you can do. I think the problem you are having is that you have employed a short-term letting agency rather than a traditional letting agency, which would, by default, have the tenants pay. Holiday Let Agencies would never do this by default.

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

I'm not 100% sure that this is accurate. You wrote that:

' If the estate agent signed a contract with the tenant stating that the landlord pays the council tax, then there is nothing you can do'

Whereas the Shelter advice page offers directly contradictory information:

'Terms in a tenancy agreement do not override the hierarchy of liability. For example, a term stating the landlord will pay council tax does not affect the tenant's liability to the local authority'

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Posted by puttducksmeatpucks 1 day ago

Same boat, I moved out the country for work and am renting my flat out. I did tell the council I was moving but they didn’t get the memo apparently. I paid the council tax for 4 months since November 2024. I informed the letting agent about it and they contacted the council and this month I received a full refund from the day I moved.

I don’t know if the tenant has to now back pay this, but that’s not really my concern as it was their responsibility to pay anyways.

I would say contact the council and tell them you moved abroad on xx date, maybe you would also get a refund.

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

I feel as though the details around contracts are just frill and dressing. The salient facts to me are:

  1. Someone was legally occupying a property as the sole dweller for a period of time over 6 months, in exchange for rent, and in accordance with a contract they signed.

  2. The agency who arranged the tenancy expressly told me, when I asked, that the council tax was my responsibility.

  3. Regardless of anything else, an agency is not an arbiter of tax responsibility. Who is liable to pay is determined by council policy.

And as a final, side point, advising individuals on tax is a regulated activity, and telling somebody to pay or not pay a tax, when you're not qualified or regulated to do so, is a serious matter and legitimate grounds for complaint.

Is there more to this which I'm not seeing? Is there a competing perspective? Does anyone has experienced of this situation which it would be helpful to share?

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Posted by Cazarza 1 day ago

In answer to your main question: If it was genuinely a holiday let you would normally be liable for council tax.

At the end of the day unless you can prove to the council tax department that the occupant lived there as their main or principal home you are out of luck.

As to should the agent compensate you in any way it's a question of have they breached their contract with you and have you suffered any loss as a result. The fact that they had a single occupant for so long potentially has (income) tax implications and/or planing issues could be a basis for a complaint.

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Posted by LAUK_In_The_North 1 day ago

The key point to start with for the purposes of s6(2) LGFA 1992 is whether they were granted a single tenancy of a period of 6 months or longer?

They're either liable if they were resident or , failing that, then they're (if they had a tenancy granted for 6 month or longer) liable as the owner.

If they were neither resident or holding a tenancy granted for 6 months or longer, then they're not liable under s6(2) LGFA 1992.

A tenancy of less than 6 months that was then extended would not be regarded as a tenancy granted for 6 month longer. So, you'd then have to revert to checking if they were resident.

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

Interesting. So if their initial agreement (I don't have access to the contract they signed) was for under six months, but then it was extended to over six months, how would that fall?

What I keep getting stuck on is the relationship between tenancy type, which seems significant in determining liability, and the rule that the wording of the agency does not determine liability.

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Posted by AdverseTangent 1 day ago

Bypass your agents and tell the council directly. They’ll adjust your bill.

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

Your handle is an anagram of 'tenanted graves', which I think is fun given the nature of this thread.

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

And thank you, that is very helpful advice. You've found that to be helpful?

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Posted by AdverseTangent 1 day ago

Many, many years ago I worked in Council Tax.

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Posted by Ok-Assistant1958 1 day ago

At this stage it is a contractual dispute. If the agency's terms state that you as LL will cover x, y and z bills and you signed the terms then you have really no recourse to pursue them or anyone for refund.

While councils will pursue the council tax from tenants on first instance, if the lease states the LL will pay council tax bill and the LL hasn't then the tenants can pursue the cost from the LL.

While usually in UK (with exception NI) the tenant will be responsible for bills including council tax (apart from some hmo situations), there is absolutely no law that says that tenants have to be responsible to pay the bills and LL can't pay them.

Based on what you've written there is no evidence that the agency would have lied to you and rather you just agreed to their terms without doing your due diligence, that is on you.

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Posted by LayExpert1993 1 day ago

I don't agree with that interpretation of tax. It is not down to parties within a commercial agreement to decide between them who is responsibly for paying a tax, liability is determined by the authorities. The council in this situation is not saying 'we don't care who pays it, so long as it gets paid', they're saying 'we've set out a strict hierarchy which covers the majority of circumstances so that you can know who bears responsibility for paying tax here'.

'If the agency's terms state that you as LL will cover x, y and z bills and you signed the terms then you have really no recourse to pursue them or anyone for refund.' - this has been said elsewhere here. However my understanding is that the law around tax here is bigger, and more significant, than commercial arrangements made by lettings agents. To quote Shelter's guidance:

'Terms in a tenancy agreement do not override the hierarchy of liability. For example, a term stating the landlord will pay council tax does not affect the tenant's liability to the local authority.'

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