Updating post from Reddit.
If I issue a section 21 eviction notice say, next month, but give the tenants say, 6 months to vacate the property, but this government abolish Section 21 in the interim, does my original eviction notice still legally stand or could the tenants refuse to vacate? If any of that makes sense!
A section 21 notice only has a 6 month validity. If you haven’t started court proceedings within this timeframe you need to start again.
They are saying it wont be law until the autumn so probably October/November. Laws are almost never retrospective so Section 21 notices that have already been correctly issued should be valid.
Right. Thanks for the advice. I’ll most probably tell the tenants I’m looking to sell in the next 6 months to give them time to find alternative accommodation. Then, closer to the time, I can issue a section 21.
You can't normally issue a 6 month section 21 notice (at least not for a monthly or weekly tenancy) as you normally have to start proceedings within 6 months of service. The notice would be unenforceable by the time it reaches its due date.
Currently no one can say with absolute certainty what the situation will be when the law is passed as the legislation hasn't passed yet and is subject to change, but it's very likely that valid s.21 notice that have already been served before the law takes effect will still be enforceable. (It depends what the law says about retrospective effect, but it's fairly rare for legislation to outright reach back in time and the government probably wouldn't want to deal with the hassle of derailing already-ongoing possession proceedings in courts etc.)
Following, I have told tenants of 6 months notice from March, will follow and give them S 21 notice 2 months before October. Have enough doing landlording(inherited from late pa), and don’t want any more surpises from Governement
Whats with the recent ingress of low IQ tenants in this sub, do better mods. Theres some clear rule breaking in this thread.
You sound like a terrible landlord.
I don’t know why there is a panic about it, if needed you can still evict the tenants just with a four month notice
No....
You now need one of a fairly short list of reasons, and need to prove that reason is true.
And if you try and fail, then unless they stop paying rent your stick with them for [insert time here when polatitions stop changeing it].
The intent of this bill is to have rental properties sold to people who want to owner occupy, and bluntly the biggest effect I see it having is supply shocking the house market.
Rents will go up. That’s the only guarantee.
Watching how landlords operate on this subreddit is deeply unsettling. It’s disheartening to see some take pleasure in making tenants’ lives difficult, often due to overextending themselves financially when purchasing properties.
Tenants deserve to live in safe, well-maintained homes without the constant fear of eviction, whether for requesting necessary repairs, such as mould removal, or due to unlawful rent increases. I hope fairness prevails, and that all tenants can enjoy the security and stability they rightfully deserve.
And there are good landlords too who mostly always get taken advantage of. As soon as you give them an inch. Give them the freedom of late rent and they will keep on doing it. They see you as a business and assume we can afford it.
And on the other side of the coin.
Tenants should look after the property and pay rent in a timely fashion.
Ive not seen anyone here take joy in evicting a tenant... frustration and anger yes.
Im facing having to strip back walls to plaster to treat mould because my tenant refused to open windows and dried his clothes indoors. In the end I bought him a dehumidifier and paid him to run it.
I take no joy in having to evict him because of the risk he poses to himself and me in the form of UK health and safety laws.
PIV might have been cheaper, to be fair, especially if the building didn't produce its own moisture.
And yet here we are with at least two landlords on the thread stating they want to give the tenants as much notice as possible before selling the property 🤷
I was wondering that too, surely it would be documented somewhere as we all need to plan.
“We all need to plan out making our tenants homeless in the middle of a housing crisis before the government makes it harder to do so!!!!! Poor us!!!”
Yep, welcome to this sub.
Lmao true. I started watching this sub mainly to get the perspective from "the other side". Being a tenant surrounded by other tenants (none of my friends are yet homeowners), it feels like I'm in a bubble of "all landlords are scum!!!" - so I wanted to get a more nuanced perspective.
Since watching scumlords complain endlessly on this subreddit, it has confirmed to me a couple of things:
If Landlords by-and-large dislike something, i.e. the renters reform bill, it is probably going to be a good thing for tenants. All of the things Landlords are moaning about would have obviously been thought about by policy advisors. The changes are intentional, and it is about time the power dynamic shifted a tad towards tenants.
It is right to look at Landlords with contempt. They have benefited from the housing crisis, mass-immigration, and poverty. A landlord making a penny profit in this environment is deserving of contempt.
I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, and a lot of "but I'm a good landlord!!! I lost £30 last month painting over the mould in my tenants living room and I am only going to increase his rent by £300 a month! Thats 10%!" - but i really don't care.
I hope successive government policy makes it harder and harder to let out residential property for profit. It has no place in a decent society.
Well said.
I've been chewed out by landlords on here clearly looking to fuck over tenants, and seeking legal advice to do so (I studied law at university).
It's tragic that this has become so normalized.
The only guarantees from rent reforms will be higher rents. Not sure why tenants are rejoicing. Sure Section 21 will go but rent just keeps going up.
So you lot keep saying.
There’s an end game here. You lot can only charge what people can afford, and the point of abject unaffordability is coming closer and closer virtually every month. People cannot spend what they literally do not have.
Rent increases will be under the microscope more so than in the past. No longer will landlords be able to punitively increase rents without push back, simply to further line their pockets off the backs of hard working people.
If Landlords force their tenants to enter into rent arrears, they can of course go the eviction route. Good luck with that.
Or, they can sell up en masse. Good - hopefully that’ll decrease or at least stabilise house prices to give some of us a chance to own our own homes.
In any event - any displeasure or inconvenience this law causes landlords is a little victory for me. If my landlord dares try to increase my rent beyond inflation, I will go through every conceivable route to make that difficult. I’ll complain, I’ll refuse, I’ll go to tribunal - anything and everything.
Tenants are sick and tired of being exploited by you lot. We need places to live. Homes aren’t a luxury and it’s high time the government realised that.
Maybe it is an end goal but not anytime soon. People still rent for a lifestyle choice. Some will just pay the going rate. Forcing rent caps would be verging on communism.
Imagine being so out of touch that you mention renting as a lifestyle choice.
Maybe that was true enough to warrant mentioning 20 years ago. Now, the vast majority of people - particularly disadvantaged young people robbed of homeownership by boomers - rent because there is no other choice.
We can’t escape renting because you lot take the majority of our wage. We have no money to save, barely enough to survive.
You say Rent controls are Communism? What a stupid thing to say. It’s barely socialism. Communism would be forcing you lot to give up your houses to the state to redistribute/reform as social housing.
Rent controls are a fantastic idea. It’ll go that way if you lot continue to misbehave.
Councils rely heavily on landlords. You will have a massive problem on your hands if you piss them off and make it too expensive to operate. We provide a service for the council and for all that responsible comes at a price. You pay peanuts i.e social housing you will get monkeys back I.e absolute carnage of the rental system and social breakdown in cities.
Landlords are abusing that reliance.
Landlords are NOT altruistic. They are parasites. You take advantage of people. You may make a lot of money, sure, but do not fool yourself into thinking you’re doing a good thing because you’re not.
I’m happy to piss off landlords. Councils need reform on every level - they piss money up the wall and need major auditing. It’s all part of the same thing.
I’ll say it again: making profit from providing residential accommodation is immoral. Making excessive profits from it is sickening. You can butter it up all you want - you can make out like Landlords are angels kindly relieving council burden, but we all know it’s not true.
Not sure why this comment is being downvoted, just stating these are policies that affect everyone renting and landlords. If they just drop it on people how can we be sure without some up front warning. It's like how they dropped stamp duty news on people out of the blue effective immediately. I know they did some forward planning with some of the policy changes in April. Just would be nice if we had more transparency around policy changes not just oh we are doing this but not telling you when or how.
Oh - like we tenants get? It’s super nice to get a 2 month warning that our rent is increasing by £200 a month!
You’re in a privileged position. Let’s all get the world’s smallest violin out to lament how terrible it must be for you to not get your evictions in line before there’s a bit of justice restored to the rental system! How difficult that must be for you all!
Fair enough not sure the hate though most landlords will continue to sell up if shit keeps getting dropped out of the blue with policy changes then rentals will become more expensive and harder to find. Most of the price increases in recent years was down to policy changes in the first place. I only got into being a landlord because banks wouldn't lend for me to buy residential for myself but were happy to lend when I asked about btl. This is what is mental, when someone can't pass residential metrics but can be accepted for btl metrics. I do not agree with half of the crap that goes on to be fair.